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RE: How to have mix "movies" + "shows" in one folder - tmsrxzar - 2023-11-26
(2023-11-23, 07:28 AM)WestAus Wrote:(2023-11-22, 08:10 PM)tmsrxzar Wrote: i think everyone forgot this is someone's Guide > not debating it's useDon't discuss what the OP is about? Right... You remind me of those mums who do voluntary traffic policing outside schools, who "forgot" they weren't asked to do it.
"Someone" has a name. Hey @Ruben, you got a problem with it?
What about you Mods? Thier recognisable by the "Community Moderator" under their names, which you don't have. Like Venson's & other posts above yours, also contributing to the conversation, oh, sorry, "debate".
How about we leave forum policing to them.
your name isn't in red so how about you take your own advice, troll
RE: How to have mix "movies" + "shows" in one folder - mdkb - 2024-01-11
I am also running into this problem with Documentaries. I dont want to split my library in two between "movie" type documentaries that are one-offs and "show" type documentaries that have episodes. This is especially true where I have music documentaries seperate to all my other documentaries. When I click on Jellyfin library I dont want to have 100s of non-music documentaries showing with my music docos, and I certainly dont want to look in a totally different library for music docos that have episodes to the ones that are one-offs.
I dont know what the solution is. I am ignoring the "Mixed Movies and Shows" option when setting up a libarary, because it seems from this post that it is going to disappear in future versions.
With "Music Documentaries" library in Jellyfin, I just made it all of type "Music Videos" and that is good enough for me for now as it caters to both types. But as for my "Documentaries" folder I have no idea what to do, I dont want to split it, so I guess I have to go the same route.
EDIT 1: just running through the post again looking for clues and saw this from a moderator " To aggregate them in the UI, collections are the way to go. " which I havent tried yet, so may give that a whirl and see if it solves the issue.
EDIT 2: tl;dr the only way to do this is not mix movie.nfo with tvshow.nfo in locally stored folders (coz this is set by how TMDB and TMM manages storing them, not Jellyfin)
The Jellyfin collections (see Edit 1) is something else, and isnt a solution to the underlying problem I have. But after digging into the logic and common pratice used by TMM, and TMDB with metadata storeage, it became clear there can be only one approach: due to the metadata storing of .nfo as either "movie" or "tvshow", and the fact the TMDB site stores documentaries as "movie" or "tv" which you can see in the URL for any tmdb entry, we have no choice but to follow the metadata (i.e. Jellyfins approach isnt relevant).
As such I am now going to split my local stored folders so I am not mixing movies with tvshow (regardless of how Jellyfin handles it, this is clearly the best practice for scraping as I ran into similar issues with TMM failing to manage my folder properly, or even recognise a lot of tvshows or movies. i.e. mixing these .nfo types in local store folders isnt working out).
As such I will be leaving all my Documentaries that are on TMDB or IMDB classed as movies in the local "Documentaries" folder, and moving the ones that have seasons and/or episodes to "Docuseries" as someone suggested in a post. i..e all movies.nfo will be in Documentaries, and all tvshows.nfo will be in Docuseries. And I will have to do the same with "Music Documentaries." and "Music Docseries" by splitting it up.
This is clearly the only way to properly keep the metadata in a fashion that works for scraping. It's not Jellyfin at fault, it is just how it is done on TMDB.
Whether at some point Jellyfin confirms they will offer a longterm library that can mixe those two into one "All Documentaries" library, is then a seperate issue. Hope this helps anyone else coming to this confused af on the best approach.
RE: How to have mix "movies" + "shows" in one folder - FactoriedMyAuth - 2024-04-19
I was gonna comment on a related Reddit post but then saw the sub was locked. Since this is gonna be my new hyperfixation hobby for a bit, I decided to jump in here to add info.
I was looking for this exact solution for my Anime and Star Trek. I did a couple things different that may be useful to someone else.
1. Admin account strictly for admin (all users, even myself, have a normal user account)
2. Create separate Movie/Show folders on NAS for my splits (Anime Movies, Anime Shows, Trek Movies, Trek Shows)
3. Create separate Movie-only/Show-only libraries in Jellyfin for the new splits (Anime Movies, Anime Shows, Trek Movies, Trek Shows), with all metadata settings set the way I want (NFO files on)
4. Create combined Movie/Show libraries in Jellyfin for the merged content (mixed type for Anime, mixed type for Trek), pointed at the source NAS folders (Anime gets the Anime Movies/Anime Shows folders and Trek gets the Trek Movies/Trek Shows folders) and turn off all metadata settings (NFO box too)
5. Under account settings for all accounts, hide the uncombined libraries (Anime Movies, Anime Shows, Trek Movies, Trek Shows)
This leaves my viewer accounts with a pair of mixed libraries that are properly presented. There is no data collision in the combined library because turning off the metadata scraping/updating settings for the mixed libraries forces them to use the work that was already done on the child libraries.
RE: How to have mix "movies" + "shows" in one folder - makuc - 2024-07-31
(2023-10-29, 06:22 PM)bitmap Wrote: Not really here to argue, I just want to point out that the "thinking" you've said is flawed is not thinking, it's the reality of where Jellyfin exists. If you don't like it, you have two options: submit a feature request or code it yourself.
You do realize that's what he did, right? Make a sugestion, I mean. Sure, he made an assumption about how the team went about the implementation, but he also suggested that mixed content should be improved and not (as he, again, assumed might happen) killed in the future. He's not a technical person so his response should be considered a suggestion by a layman - non-tecnical person. Instead of a tecnical discussion with him, where more people could be engaged in exploring the possibilities of what is and what could be, as a proper tecnical person would do when communicating with a layman, and then together posting an official feature request, you simply attacked him because the current Jellyfin doesn't go about mixed content in such a way.
And then you comment on his response where he tried defending himself with another assumption simply because he (like me) doesn't know how you organize your content, nor how documentaries work in your country. He described his situation, you didn't describe yours. Assumptions were the only thing he could go with and again, you attack him for it.
(2023-10-29, 06:22 PM)bitmap Wrote: If you utilize a different media organizer for your metadata (e.g., Servarr, TMM), I'm sure a mixed media library would work fine. The trick described in the OP here is just to get the right metadata. Your "not like other admins" comment just increases the pretentiousness of your post.
Unfortunaltey, in my third-person view, you are being pretentious in this case. You are enforcing your views, attacking him for telling his opinion while trying to explore options in the current version of Jellyfin, all the while telling him he has no idea what is and what isn't and assuming how Libraries should be organized. He already stated, it works for him. He didn't go into the details of how he actually does the organizing, which is a shame since I'm also looking for ways to improve the organization of my libraries for mixed content (callout to @Duvel ) and his approach with proper folder structure seems more aligned with mine, and if it works for him I see no reason for you discouraging others from doing the same.
So you are also assuming it shouldn't work, despite him claiming it does, while saying he is pretentious for making assumptions.
(2023-10-29, 06:22 PM)bitmap Wrote: One user or 100, nobody wants their media poorly organized. I get what you're saying, but it's not a "doesn't work if you have X amount of users" situation, it's 100% your preference.Again, you are assuming what works for you, works for everyone.
He is correct in this case and you were wrong. Organizing for many people isn't the same as organizing for a single person, which, in my humble opinion, actually proves his point even further - that you are either organizing for yourself, or for technically more adept people. For non-techincal people, explaining to them why something isn't grouped together the way it appears more logical to them isn't as simple as even you were once again assuming. You know you need to organise it differently due to techical difficulties. A bigger group simply won't understand something like this and will insist it is illogical! Some might undrestand, but the majority won't!
Splitting the libraries makes searching for similar stuff a chore, especially if they are a continuation. As it were already mentioned in this thread, very common in Anime and even new trend we see with movies & serise (Star Wars).
You have a season or two, then you get a movie, and then you once again get a season. You'll go to the folder with shows and watch the series. How will you know you need to watch the movies if it won't even be there? That's the case and opening statement here and none of your responses addressed. You assumed all the content can be split, but it can't be if it represents a single whole.
He also pointed out the case for Star Wars - you have Movies and you have Series. Sure, you can split them, but you'll only watch them in proper order if you actually know the series exist. Not everyone will! You are simply assuming everyone will know, because you know. And hence why his argument actually holds true, it simply isn't the same if you are organizing for a larger group of people than if you are organizing for yourself or like-minded people.
Sorry to reviving the thread, but it is still very much relevanat and I hope I added some more to the context and reasoning I assume this thread was started in the first place to brainstorm on how to improve the mixed content libraries or how to trick the current functionality to work good-enough for most.
EDIT: How I didn't see the next 2 pages of replies is beyond me - probably because normally, the pages selection menu is above the reply field and on the right or center aligned, instead of left. A weird design decision for the forum in my opinion. But I won't be deleting this post anyway, since it still holds true.