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You have received a warning - Fate - 2024-08-08
I just received this:
Code:
Dear Fate
You have received a warning from the staff of Jellyfin Forum.
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Please don't discuss piracy-related tools.
--What? Can someone explain to me where I supposed to have done that?
RE: You have received a warning - Efficient_Good_5784 - 2024-08-08
It was in relation to this post: https://forum.jellyfin.org/t-what-other-cool-things-should-i-host?pid=32122#pid32122
https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/community-standards/
Quote:Do not engage in, encourage, facilitate or discuss piracy in any Jellyfin communities. Jellyfin is a media server system for your own media collection; how you obtain media is not our concern and is not to be discussed in our communities in any form. Do not ask about where or how to obtain media, do not ask about, sell, trade, or otherwise facilitate access to other users' servers or discuss any piracy related topics. This includes discussing technologies commonly used for piracy and personal philosophies about it, in our communities. Please also refrain from discussing any topic that is closely related to piracy or accompanying topics and technology.
The warning is temporary (set for a day only). Don't worry about it too much.
RE: You have received a warning - Fate - 2024-08-08
(2024-08-08, 03:25 PM)Efficient_Good_5784 Wrote: It was in relation to this post: https://forum.jellyfin.org/t-what-other-cool-things-should-i-host?pid=32122#pid32122Ok I didn't even notice you edited it since this does not show up as a notification.
https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/community-standards/
Quote:Do not engage in, encourage, facilitate or discuss piracy in any Jellyfin communities. Jellyfin is a media server system for your own media collection; how you obtain media is not our concern and is not to be discussed in our communities in any form. Do not ask about where or how to obtain media, do not ask about, sell, trade, or otherwise facilitate access to other users' servers or discuss any piracy related topics. This includes discussing technologies commonly used for piracy and personal philosophies about it, in our communities. Please also refrain from discussing any topic that is closely related to piracy or accompanying topics and technology.
The warning is temporary (set for a day only). Don't worry about it too much.
I fail to see where I violated that tho. Since the rules clearly state: "References/guides to related tools that may or may not facilitate piracy (Sonarr, Radarr, etc. collectively "The *ARRs") are discouraged but are not prohibited [...]
And I didn't even provide a Guide or Discussion I just stated a name.
( If I get another Warning for quoting the Rules I'm gonna rage a bit tho...)
You can also use the search function and search for theses terms. I see no moderation for the merely mention of these application there.
RE: You have received a warning - Host-in-the-Shell - 2024-08-08
I could be wrong, but I think the issue was recommending an *ARR stack service as something the user should host, which could be interpreted as encouragement of piracy. I'm not part of the moderation team here, so I'm just guessing. Also the text you cited from the Piracy Policy is missing a relevant part that states: "References/guides to related tools that may or may not facilitate piracy (Sonarr, Radarr, etc. collectively "The *ARRs") are discouraged but are not prohibited as long as they are directly relevant to an issue with your Jellyfin instance." Seems to me that in EG's interpretation of your post, there wasn't an issue with a JF server that required the mention of said type of software, and since it looked like an encouragement of piracy, he decided to flag it.
I suppose the priority for the team here is to avoid Jellyfin from being labeled a "tool that facilitates piracy". Not saying I agree or disagree with the decision, but highlighting what I think was the cause for the warning.
RE: You have received a warning - Efficient_Good_5784 - 2024-08-08
(2024-08-08, 03:33 PM)Fate Wrote: ( If I get another Warning for quoting the Rules I'm gonna rage a bit tho...)No, that would be cruel here.
(2024-08-08, 03:33 PM)Fate Wrote: Ok I didn't even notice you edited it since this does not show up as a notification.The rules state discouraged and not prohibited as long as they are in relation to an issue.
I fail to see where I violated that tho. Since the rules clearly state: "References/guides to related tools that may or may not facilitate piracy (Sonarr, Radarr, etc. collectively "The *ARRs") are discouraged but are not prohibited [...]
And I didn't even provide a Guide or Discussion I just stated a name.
The full line from that rule:
Quote:References/guides to related tools that may or may not facilitate piracy (Sonarr, Radarr, etc. collectively "The *ARRs") are discouraged but are not prohibited as long as they are directly relevant to an issue with your Jellyfin instance.
I took these actions mainly due to your post not being related to an issue. It's clear you were not trying to break the rules, so I edited the post to remove the mention of the ARRs & the torrent client instead of deleting the whole post.
ARR tools in question are fine for as long as they're not recommended/discussed for thier content aquesition features. Mainly to do with the ones involving downloading subtitles and such. Your post was for a recommendation of software to use in general.
On that topic, we don't discuss torrent clients here too as that violates our sourcing rule, even if they can be used for non-piracy tasks.
(2024-08-08, 03:33 PM)Fate Wrote: You can also use the search function and search for theses terms. I see no moderation for the merely mention of these application there.I've been moderating the forum for a month now. I keep track with posts as they come. I was not here from the start of the forum, nor do I have the time to go through all past posts.
If we're talking about going back and moderating the past posts mentioning the tools, that's an entirely different discussion.
You're free to bring up/point to any forum thread or post that violates the rules since the team might have missed them.
RE: You have received a warning - Fate - 2024-08-08
(2024-08-08, 05:03 PM)Efficient_Good_5784 Wrote: The rules state discouraged and not prohibited as long as they are in relation to an issue.That is razor sharp edge you dance on.
I guess technically that is true...
(2024-08-08, 05:03 PM)Efficient_Good_5784 Wrote: I took these actions mainly due to your post not being related to an issue. It's clear you were not trying to break the rules, so I edited the post to remove the mention of the ARRs & the torrent client instead of deleting the whole post.Replying to "what to selfhost" is a question not issue is unquestionable true but seems excessive to me.
With that logic you could warn yourself since you responding to a question as well, not an issue.
I think discouraging discussion/promotion is the correct choice but trying to delete every mention of something is counter-productive at some point.
(2024-08-08, 05:03 PM)Efficient_Good_5784 Wrote: ARR tools in question are fine for as long as they're not recommended/discussed for thier content aquesition features. [...] Your post was for a recommendation of software to use in general.O.o True
(2024-08-08, 05:03 PM)Efficient_Good_5784 Wrote: On that topic, we don't discuss torrent clients here too as that violates our sourcing rule, even if they can be used for non-piracy tasks.ok I understand that one.
(2024-08-08, 03:33 PM)Fate Wrote: You can also use the search function and search for theses terms. I see no moderation for the merely mention of these application there.
(2024-08-08, 05:03 PM)Efficient_Good_5784 Wrote: I've been moderating the forum for a month now. I keep track with posts as they come. I was not here from the start of the forum, nor do I have the time to go through all past posts.That sounds a bit like you trying to put the genie back in the bottle.
If we're talking about going back and moderating the past posts mentioning the tools, that's an entirely different discussion.
You're free to bring up/point to any forum thread or post that violates the rules since the team might have missed them.
Also I was worried because Warnings are not covered by the Rules page. It could have been Warning first Account ban next time, right?
I do appreciate the clarification though!
RE: You have received a warning - Efficient_Good_5784 - 2024-08-08
(2024-08-08, 05:45 PM)Fate Wrote: Also I was worried because Warnings are not covered by the Rules page. It could have been Warning first Account ban next time, right?The warning system is a feature of the MyBB forum this place is built on. I don't know if the Jellyfin team didn't add it to the rule page due to that, but it's a thing.
I do appreciate the clarification though!
I'm not sure if users can see their warning level. As far as I know, there is no automated banning after you receive a certain amount of warnings. Warnings expire after set period (I set yours for a single day).
From my understanding, the warning system serve mainly to help the mods determine if a user is constantly breaking some rule, not to automate a banning.
We generally decide based on the rules that are broken if we give out a single warning (or multiple) or a ban.
In your case, you have nothing to worry about. You were being helpful and clearly not intentionally breaking the rules.
(2024-08-08, 05:45 PM)Fate Wrote:We only provide minimal support when any of the ARR tools might be at fault.(2024-08-08, 05:03 PM)Efficient_Good_5784 Wrote: The rules state discouraged and not prohibited as long as they are in relation to an issue.That is razor sharp edge you dance on.
I guess technically that is true...
Usually if the issue is how to get Jellyfin to work with one of them, that is generally outside of this forum's scope.
(2024-08-08, 05:45 PM)Fate Wrote:I waived the rule for this topic because it falls as an issue with the forum that was brought up.(2024-08-08, 05:03 PM)Efficient_Good_5784 Wrote: I took these actions mainly due to your post not being related to an issue. It's clear you were not trying to break the rules, so I edited the post to remove the mention of the ARRs & the torrent client instead of deleting the whole post.Replying to "what to selfhost" is a question not issue is unquestionable true but seems excessive to me.
With that logic you could warn yourself since you responding to a question as well, not an issue.
I think discouraging discussion/promotion is the correct choice but trying to delete every mention of something is counter-productive at some point.
We're not discussing how to use them, but their mention on the forum.
(2024-08-08, 05:45 PM)Fate Wrote:I and the few other mods can only do so much.(2024-08-08, 03:33 PM)Fate Wrote: You can also use the search function and search for theses terms. I see no moderation for the merely mention of these application there.(2024-08-08, 05:03 PM)Efficient_Good_5784 Wrote: I've been moderating the forum for a month now. I keep track with posts as they come. I was not here from the start of the forum, nor do I have the time to go through all past posts.That sounds a bit like you trying to put the genie back in the bottle.
If we're talking about going back and moderating the past posts mentioning the tools, that's an entirely different discussion.
You're free to bring up/point to any forum thread or post that violates the rules since the team might have missed them.
We don't have a bot patrolling this forum deleting things as they appear.
I'm not trying to say that it was acceptable back then and we're just picking on you now.
We're not constantly on this forum. We sleep, need breaks, have jobs or other things that pull our attention away from this forum.
I was just on the forum at the time of your post. If me or the few other mods missed your post, it would have most likely been left alone due to that.
The whole topic about software that sources media for users is a gray-area topic on this forum.
We try to do our best, but it being a gray-area, we have to decide what is or isn't allowed here on that topic.
We're generally against discussing them here, not your use of them as that is your own personal choice.