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Hardware recommendations still up to date? - fhireman - 2024-11-09
Hi,
I was just wondering if the hardware recommendations page(https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/administration/hardware-selection/) is still up to date?
According to this guide I'm doing everything wrong with my current (temporary) setup by:
- running it on a laptop
- using AMD with only an iGPU (8845HS with Radeon 780M)
- hosting it on WiFi, no cable (I hit about 400 Mbps on average)
but I have to say with 2 people streaming in the same house it has worked like a dream for the past few weeks.
Never had any buffering issues, episodes look great, everything is responsive as hell, etc.
Has there been a giant leap recently in AMD hardware encoding which makes it a non issue nowadays?
I'm looking at a more permanent hardware setup now that I've experienced how awesome Jellyfin is but am seriously doubting whether to go
with an AMD build or Intel build. Since the iGPU is doing great in this laptop I thought I could go for a 8700G that has the same 780M in it but am I overlooking something here?
Would love to know if I'm an anomaly!
RE: Hardware recommendations still up to date? - crobibero - 2024-11-09
Yes, that list is up to date. AMD is low on the recommendation list only because of hardware acceleration.
> AMD Graphics: AMD Graphics have poor encoder quality and poor driver support. This applies even on Linux.
RE: Hardware recommendations still up to date? - TheDreadPirate - 2024-11-09
I'd like to add that the AMD RX 7000 desktop GPUs have acceptable encoders. I'm not sure if those encoders are the same as in their 7, 8, and 9000 Ryzen CPUs. But if you're buying a GPU for the express purpose of transcoding in Jellyfin, Intel and Nvidia are still waaaay up the list of recommendations.
RE: Hardware recommendations still up to date? - fhireman - 2024-11-09
(2024-11-09, 06:10 PM)crobibero Wrote: Yes, that list is up to date. AMD is low on the recommendation list only because of hardware acceleration.
> AMD Graphics: AMD Graphics have poor encoder quality and poor driver support. This applies even on Linux.
Thanks
So do the modern Intel chips have enough "oomph" to not need a dedicated GPU to run Jellyfin then?
I'm worried a bit about the iGPU performance since AMD has always delivered for me in that area the past few generations and
getting a dedicated GPU to go with a desktop CPU would increase costs and power usage a lot so I was hoping to avoid that.
@TheDreadPirate You'd think they have the same encoders in them but a dedicated GPU has of course spare room to cram more new tech in than a mobile GPU.
But I haven't noticed anything impacting performance on this AMD chip so that's why I was wondering if they perhaps improved in this area(at least on Linux).
RE: Hardware recommendations still up to date? - crobibero - 2024-11-09
Make sure to note the gotcha with intel cpus:
CAUTION
Intel 7-10th gen CPUs have been removed from this list, since the toolkit for these generations has been deprecated by Intel. If you own 7-10th gen CPUs with integrated graphics, please continue to use them for Jellyfin, as they are still perfectly capable of performing the task. If you are making a purchase decision, please consider something else instead.
RE: Hardware recommendations still up to date? - fhireman - 2024-11-09
(2024-11-09, 09:27 PM)crobibero Wrote: Make sure to note the gotcha with intel cpus:
CAUTION
Intel 7-10th gen CPUs have been removed from this list, since the toolkit for these generations has been deprecated by Intel. If you own 7-10th gen CPUs with integrated graphics, please continue to use them for Jellyfin, as they are still perfectly capable of performing the task. If you are making a purchase decision, please consider something else instead.
Thanks for the gotcha!
I'm making a purchase decision at the moment so all input is welcome.
Perhaps the 12500 could suffice, seems the iGPU is pretty decent as well.
RE: Hardware recommendations still up to date? - fhireman - 2024-11-12
Ordered a new build with an Intel 12500, a 6TB WD Red Pro, 16GBs DDR4, and an m.2 SSD for Ubuntu server or something similar.
Curious how it will run in comparison to my current AMD setup, will report back once I put it all together
RE: Hardware recommendations still up to date? - fhireman - 2024-11-16
(2024-11-09, 09:27 PM)crobibero Wrote: Make sure to note the gotcha with intel cpus:
CAUTION
Intel 7-10th gen CPUs have been removed from this list, since the toolkit for these generations has been deprecated by Intel. If you own 7-10th gen CPUs with integrated graphics, please continue to use them for Jellyfin, as they are still perfectly capable of performing the task. If you are making a purchase decision, please consider something else instead.
I set up my new server with an Intel 12500, 16GB ram, OS(fresh Ubuntu server 24.04.1) on an SSD, media on a 6TB WD Red Pro and a freshly pulled jellyfin v10.10.2 docker image.
But I noticed when I watch any random episode it flares up ffmpeg CPU usage to about 1100%, and stays there even when the video is paused for a few minutes until I press back in the browser.
I don't recall my AMD laptop ever using this much CPU (and being this loud to cool things down) when watching an episode.
I was planning to put my jellyfin server in a big spare room anyway so I wouldn't have to deal with the HDD noises but man the sounds of the CPU cooling make me worried that it might overheat when 2 people in the house are playing an episode on it.
I tried setting up hardware acceleration by just changing the dropdown to intel quicksync(since this CPU has that) and save + restart jellyfin but each time I try to play something I get a playback error and nothing seems to be able to play. Changing it back to none makes things play again but with the beforementioned high CPU usage and noise.
Any ideas how to get the most out of my new dedicated jellyfin setup?
RE: Hardware recommendations still up to date? - TheDreadPirate - 2024-11-17
Can you share your logs via pastebin? And screenshots of Dashboard > Playback > Transcoding.
RE: Hardware recommendations still up to date? - fhireman - 2024-11-17
Unfortunately I'm unable to add screenshots to my reply unless I host them somewhere. Pasting them in here doesn't seem to be working.
But nothing has changed from the default fresh Jellyfin settings except switching the transcoding dropdown setting to Intel Quicksync in the dropdown and saving that setting at the bottom of the transcoding page.
I haven't touched anything else.
Here's my container logs:
https://pastebin.com/V83PkTWC